Showing posts with label 9/11. Show all posts
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Friday, November 25, 2011

Paul Craig Roberts on the 9/11 10th Anniversary - GRTV Feature Interview 002



This week GRTV talks to Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, former Assistant Secretary Treasury, former editor of the Wall Street Journal, author and researcher, about the significance of 9/11 on the brink of the tenth anniversary of those events. We discuss the many points at which the official explanation of 9/11 do not mesh with the available evidence, the many experts who have raised their voices in dissent (and been silenced), and what our response to 9/11 teaches us about where we are heading as a society.

Thursday, June 12, 2008

OKC bombing: exposing a coverup

The Vehmgericht are reproducing this article which is available on BNET, because DIGG rejected links from BNET. It is well worth reading. It provides insight into not only the OKC bombing and coverup, but also into some of the issues of journalism involved in the OKC and similar coverups.


OKC bombing: exposing a coverup: The New American has played a lead role in the ongoing efforts by independent investigators to get to the truth about the Oklahoma City bombing
William F. Jasper

This was a major break in the Oklahoma City Bombing case. I was in Tulsa, Oklahoma, for a meeting with the undercover operative for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) who had penetrated a white separatist commune in rural Oklahoma known as Elohim City. The operative I was scheduled to meet was a young woman named Carol Howe, known to her ATF handlers under the code name CI-183 (Confidential Informant 183).

Miss Howe had taken on a very dangerous assignment and amassed an incredible amount of detailed information--notes, audiotapes, videotapes, drawings, diagrams, photographs, license plate numbers, names, addresses, and telephone numbers--on what would prove to be one of our country's largest known concentrations of domestic terrorists. I had obtained copies of Howe's official ATF records, which proved to be a veritable treasure trove. Besides containing a wealth of completely new data, the ATF's file on Howe corroborated important evidence and testimony THE NEW AMERICAN had received from other sources tying individuals associated with Elohim City to Timothy McVeigh and the OKC bombing.

Our meeting, on the evening of October 7, 1997, took place in a quiet Tulsa restaurant. She was the star witness scheduled to testify the next morning in Oklahoma City before a special grand jury convened to investigate the bombing. Media organizations from all over the world were trying to find her. Reporters from several major broadcast and print media had been calling me seeking information on her whereabouts. I said I didn't know, which was true; I knew only where she was to be at our appointed meeting time.

Why had Carol Howe agreed to meet only with THE NEW AMERICAN? She had explained in one of our earlier telephone conversations that she was "very impressed" with our previous coverage of the OKC bombing in general and our articles dealing with Elohim City and her undercover work in particular. Our September 15, 1997 cover story, "Undercover: The Howe Revelations," was, she said, "the most accurate and comprehensive" single report that had been written on her story.

I had first learned of Carol Howe months earlier, from Glenn and Kathy Wilburn, whose young grandsons, Chase and Colton, were among the 19 children in the Alfred R Murrah Building's day-care center who were murdered in the bombing. The Wilburns had become very concerned by what was obviously a deliberate, hurried effort on the part of federal authorities to close the case with Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols as the only conspirators in the terror attack.

"All of a sudden, Janet Reno, the Justice Department, the FBI flip the switch and deny that there is or ever was a John Doe No. 2 or any other accomplices," Glenn told me during one late-night session at the Wilburns' home. "I don't buy that for a minute. There's too much evidence, too many credible witnesses showing McVeigh and the Ryder truck with multiple suspects on the morning of April 19. I can't and won't stand idly by if some of Chase and Colton's murderers--for whatever reasons, and I don't know what they might be--are allowed to get off."

Carol Howe's ATF reports confirmed what the Wilburns and other bombing survivors and investigators had learned from multiple sources: the ATF had been forewarned about the attack, and its agents were conspicuously absent from the ATF offices at the Murrah Building on April 19.

Burning an Informant

THE NEW AMERICAN'S coverage of Carol Howe and the Elohim City connection to the OKC bombing has been repeatedly vindicated. As the 10th anniversary of the deadly attack rolled around earlier this year, important new evidence was still coming out in the form of FBI memos released under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).

The FBI memos confirm that Timothy McVeigh was indeed tied to Elohim City, the Aryan Republican Army, White Aryan Resistance, Aryan Nations, and other violent neo-Nazi groups. More importantly, they show that government spokesmen knew this to be the case even while they were denying that they had any evidence of this connection. Still more important is the fact that the recently released documents, together with a number of arrests, trials, and convictions (that have been almost completely ignored by the major media), have shown that an alarming number of Elohim City's disreputable alumni were actually working, in one form or another, for federal law enforcement agencies.

When it became obvious that news of Carol Howe's explosive findings might leak out and expose the Clinton Justice Department's false claim that McVeigh was a lone bomber (co-conspirator Nichols was not in Oklahoma City the day of the bombing), retaliation was swift and vicious. The FBI exposed her identity, putting her in mortal danger. Then, both the FBI and ATF refused to bring her in or give her protection, in violation of the terms of her confidential informant agreement (not to mention every moral standard). Amazingly, she survived.

Obsessed with shutting Howe up, the Justice Department then arrested her and put her on trial for the very same undercover activities they had recruited her to perform! In the course of her trial, however, top Justice, FBI, and ATF officials were publicly exposed in flagrante--lying, falsifying, and withholding documents; "losing" documents; and consorting with the enemy.

One of the most stunning revelations to come out of the Howe trial was that Robert Millar, the elderly founder and leader of Elohim City (who, according to the ATF's own records, was urging his followers to engage in violent insurrection against the federal government), was himself a longtime informant for the FBI. But in view of his activities and those he was presiding over at the rural redoubt, it would seem he was more accurately an agent provocateur than an "informant." No wonder Clinton, Reno, and company were pushing so furiously to cover this mess up. At the very least, it provided shocking evidence of incompetence or criminal negligence and malfeasance so egregious and extensive that public exposure could very well cause a wave of outrage that would cause the lopping off of heads all the way up to, and including, the top occupant of the White House.

And Millar was not alone. More and more evidence indicated that some of Elohim City's most notorious frequenters were working for the federal government, including Richard Guthrie, Kevin McCarthy, Shawn Kenny, Dennis Mahon, and German national Andreas Strassmeir. Carol Howe testified that she had seen McVeigh with Strassmeir at Elohim City. FBI phone records show that McVeigh had called the rural compound seeking Strassmeir immediately after placing a call to the Ryder truck rental agency. Oklahoma police records showed that McVeigh had received a traffic ticket very near Elohim City on a back-country road leading to the Aryan community.

Why were the revelations that should have set off alarms and started a media frenzy instead greeted with deafening silence? The Clinton administration and its allies in the Establishment press quickly branded any who challenged the official "McVeigh and Nichols only" scenario as "anti-government fanatics" and "conspiracy wackos" who were trying to exculpate McVeigh.

As in the case of so many other important revelations concerning what was--until 9/11--the deadliest terrorist attack on American soil, the heavy lifting would have to be done not by the Big Media stars, but by a small band of dedicated independent investigators. Perhaps most notable of these were Glenn and Kathy Wilburn, who devoted themselves full-time in pursuit of the truth, pushing tirelessly, relentlessly onward, amassing enormous files and important contacts covering all aspects of the bombing.

I worked with the Wilburns and others too numerous to mention who contributed in countless ways to advance an enormously heroic effort that was fraught with many obstacles. While the Big Media "watchdogs" performed as obedient lapdogs for the Clinton administration's coverup, a small band of resolute truth seekers broke loose one major story after another.

Media Blackout

However, it soon became obvious that no matter how many "smoking guns" we turned up, in the form of eyewitnesses, physical evidence or government documents, ultimately we would have little impact unless we could break through the media blackout and get the facts to a larger American audience. The hostility of the liberal-left Big Media was not the only problem; the cowardice of the "conservatives" was equally, if not more, harmful to our effort to breach the wall of silence.

All too often, I heard from editors and reporters of conservative print and broadcast media, as well as conservative national radio talk-show hosts, words to this effect: "Terrific stuff you're doing on OKC, keep up the good work." However, they were unwilling to risk the wrath of the White House or the Big Media insiders by tackling the issue themselves. Some of them admitted this explicitly, others merely inferred. Even spunky Internet news sites that promote themselves as fearless investigative sources maintained the proverbial "10 foot pole" length from the real Oklahoma bombing story.

This was especially frustrating because, in the effort to get more media firepower directed at the OKC coverup, I did what is unheard of in journalism: I offered editors and reporters who were willing to tackle the issue full access to my documents, as well as to all of my sources and witnesses who were willing to speak to other media. This was no small matter, since quite frequently I was the only one with access to highly coveted documents, sources, and witnesses, many of which were the result of lengthy, laborious, and expensive effort. Moreover, I offered to walk willing reporters through much of the complex, labyrinthine detail in the case. This was like opening up the vault and even helping them load the gold into their vans. It was a can't-resist no-brainer for any serious journalist.

Many responded to a limited extent, cherry-picking irresistible morsels, especially if they tied into an OKC story that was currently hot with the Big Media. But almost no one seemed willing to take up the daunting challenge. One of the most important exceptions to this otherwise dismal response from typical journalists was Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, one of Britain's top reporters and the Washington bureau chief for The Sunday Telegraph.

Mr. Evans-Pritchard contacted me by phone in 1996 during one of my trips to Oklahoma City. He complimented me on my series of articles on the bombing and asked if I'd mind if he jumped into the OKC story. Specifically, he was hoping to contact some of my witnesses. Mind? I was thrilled, I said, noting that I greatly admired the investigative work he was doing on the Vince Foster "suicide," and other scandals that had earned him the ire of the Clinton administration. "I think you're showing that Oklahoma City is a much bigger and more important story than Vince Foster," he said. "Well, welcome aboard," I responded.

Evans-Pritchard's OKC stories in the Telegraph in 1996 and 1997 were picked up by many U.S. media organizations and did much to break down the walls of fear that kept many other reporters from challenging the official lies and coverup about the bombing. His book, The Secret Life of Bill Clinton: The Unreported Stories (1997), which devoted the first seven chapters to Oklahoma City, also provided a tremendous boost to our overall efforts.

He began Chapter 1 with this sentence: "Relaxing on Air Force One after the 1996 elections, Bill Clinton told a pool of reporters that he owed his political revival to the Oklahoma bombing." Evans-Pritchard recounted that Clinton reflected on the country's backlash to his first term, which resulted in the Republican conquest of Congress in 1994. But when the bomb went off, Clinton told the press pool, "It broke a spell in the country as people began searching for our common ground again." In truth, the deadly explosion enabled the president--with the invaluable help of the Establishment press--to skillfully exploit the tragedy to demonize critics of his policies as fellow-travelers with terrorists.

Unfortunately, Evans-Pritchard was transferred back to England in 1997, and no one in the major media of his stature, ability, and fortitude stepped in to continue his important reporting.

Untold Stories

Over the past decade, THE NEW AMERICAN has published scores of stories on the Oklahoma City bombing, many of them major, groundbreaking reports. I think it is not an exaggeration to say that those stories played a significant role in foiling the plans of the Clinton cabal to not only demonize, but actually to criminalize, conservatives and constitutionalists who opposed their police-state agenda. Although virtually all of those stories carry my byline, they were truly collaborative efforts, reflecting the input of many others whom I will never be able adequately to thank.

The Oklahoma City bombing investigation has been the most extensive and expensive effort of this type ever undertaken by THE NEW AMERICAN or its predecessors, American Opinion and The Review of the News. It would not have been possible without the volunteer assistance of bombing survivors, law enforcement personnel, witnesses, and experts in many fields. It also would not have been possible without the security assistance provided by many good friends or the special financial assistance from several major donors, which enabled us to cover the enormous expenses involved in travel, security, copying documents and tapes, and paying for analysis by engineers, laboratories, forensic scientists, and other experts.

Many people are under the mistaken impression that more information about the Oklahoma City bombing serves little purpose, since it has been eclipsed in magnitude, importance and currency by the 9/11 terror attacks. But as we have shown, the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center, the 1995 attack on OKC, and the 9/11 attack are all directly connected. * Understanding the Oklahoma City attack is critical to understanding the others and to strengthening our nation's security in the global war on terror.

Many important stories about the Oklahoma City bombing and 9/11 remain to be told, including several that we have never mentioned but have been investigating and developing for years--and that we hope to soon be able to publish.

* See, for instance, "Al-Qaeda's OKC-9/11 Ties" in our July 26, 2004 issue. This and over 35 other TNA articles on the OKC bombing are available at thenewamerican.com/focus/okc/.

William F. Jasper, a senior editor for THE NEW AMERICAN, has covered terrorism issues for nearly 30 years, including undercover work.

COPYRIGHT 2005 American Opinion Publishing, Inc.

Monday, June 02, 2008

Some Recommended 9/11 Resources

Investigate the Henry A. Kissinger Roundtable on Terrorism conducted by the CFR. Note especially the involvement of John O'Neill, Jerome Hauer and Maurice Sonenberg. Sonenberg was Vice Chairman of Bremer's National Commission on Terrorism.

See also Carter, Detuch and Zelikow's Catastrophic Terrorism. See here as well.

The WTC Privatization Agreement is another big clue. It involved Ronald S. Lauder and Larry Silverstein, among others.

Watch: This is an Orange by Anthony Lawson

Watch: Lewis Paul Bremer III on Washington DC NBC4 TV 09/11/01 (Note that Bremer is a lifelong Kissinger gopher).

Watch: Who Killed John O'Neill

Watch: 9/11 Mysteries: Demolitions

Watch: THE TRUTH & LIES OF 9/11 (Mike Ruppert)

Watch: Loose Change the Final Cut

Watch: 9/11 The Myth and the Reality: Dr. David Ray Griffin

Watch: THE SECRET WORLD OF MOHAMED ATTA by Hopsicker

Investigate Urban Moving Systems Inc.

Tarpley's Synthetic Terror: Made in USA is essential reading.

Find out what N900SA, N987SA, N6308F, N4410F mean.

The Political Friendster Aircraft Blotter

This is not a female dog, nor is it a snake:

Friday, May 16, 2008

Stephen E. Herbits the Gay Zionist Republicrat Pentagon Insider

This is a post intended as a reply to how they get away with it in the discussion of Clout! Month of Truth: Week 3. After repeatedly attempting to submit the post it became evident that the content is being rejected.



As Hankey rightly suggests in 9-11 Justice, the people responsible for office assignments at the Pentagon prior to 9/11 should be identified and investigated. I would start with Stephen E. Herbits

who was instrumental in the Bush administration's Pentagon transition.

Herbits is also a lifelong Bronfman Lieutenant.


At the Pentagon he handled transitions for Defense Secretaries Weinberger, Cheney and Rumsfeld, and was responsible for key pre-9/11 personnel assignments in the DoD. He left his post as a Rumsfeld advisor in the spring of 2001, but returned to the Pentagon to play a key role in the run-up to the war of aggression against Iraq. He was instrumental in getting lifelong Kissinger Lieutenant and prime 9/11 terrorist suspect, Lewis Paul Bremer III assigned to the position of Procounsel over Iraq, after his first suggestion of Wolfowitz was rejected. Herbits also provided unspecified consulting services to the IDF.

Long before Elliot Spitzer got caught with his pants down, Spitzer had probed the financial shenanigans at the World Jewish Congress which led to Bronfman and Herbits stepping down.


Elliot Spitzer


Bronfman was succeeded as President of the World Jewish Congress by Ronald S. Lauder


Lauder Chaired Privatization Council responsible for July 24, 2001 privatization of the WTC


This agreement handed control of the WTC over to Larry Sliverstein


Ironically, lifelong Republican and "[o]utgoing World Jewish Congress secretary-general and prominent gay rights activist Stephen Herbits will lead Hillary Clinton's campaign within the gay and lesbian community, as she seeks to win the Democrat presidential nomination."




I couldn't make this sh!t up if I wanted to!

"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." ~ Thomas Jefferson

Tuesday, April 29, 2008

We Are Change UK - Phil Hayton and WTC7



This video underscores a very important point that is lost on many 9/11 activists and researchers. Most of the people in the MSM are very likely as clueless as the majority of their audience. Phil Hayton's likeness appears in numerous 9/11 videos discussing the collapse of WTC 7 and the significance of the BBC reporting it before it happened. Nonetheless, Mr. Hayton appeared legitimately surprised by and completely unaware of the significance of the incident.

Tuesday, April 22, 2008

Probable Accessories Before the Fact of 9/11/01

Updated Wed Apr 23 04:58:44 EDT 2008


The following is a list of people we have identified as probable accessories before the fact of the 9/11/01 false flag terrorist attacks.

Lewis Paul "Jerry" Bremer III
Heinz Alfred Kissinger
Ronald S. Lauder
Larry Silverstein
Peter S. Lowy
Frank Lowy
Uzi Arad
Benjamin Netanyahu
Ehud Barak
Buzzy Krongard
Mayo Shattuck III
Jerome Hauer
Maurice Sonnenberg
Richard Bruce Cheney
Michael Chertoff
Don Radlauer
Philip Zelikow
John Deutch
Paul Wolfowitz
Richard N. Perle
Douglas Feith
Stephen E. Herbits
Maurice "Hank" Greenberg
Michael G. Cherkasky
Peter G. Peterson
David Rockefeller
Nicholas Rockefeller
Monte R. Belger
Michael S. Goff
Tom Brokaw
Angela Mitchell Greenspan
Ehud "Udi" Mendelson
Jacob (Kobi) Alexander
Theodore B. Olson
Jane Lakes Harman

Urban Moving Systems

The names of the five Israelis arrested on 09/11/01 are:
Sivan Kurzberg (AKA Sylvian Kurcheil),
Paul Kurzberg (AKA Paul Kurcheil),
Yaron Shmuel(AKA Vyron Shmuel),
Oded Ellner and
Omer Marmari.
The men were employees of Urban Moving Systems, which is believed to have been a Mossad front company, and was owned by an Israeli Citizen named Dominik Suter, who fled the United States almost immediately.

Thursday, March 27, 2008

Censored on Common Dreams

This was posted to CommonDreams.org as a comment to an article written by Ray McGovern. It very quickly vanished, then reappeared with a message saying that it was pending moderation. IOW "pound sand".


I'm sure the significance of petroleum was not lost on Uzi Arad who concentrated on the subject of global petroleum reserves in graduate school. That is, of course, the same Uzi Arad, former head of Mossad, who is the Founding Director of the Institute for Policy and Strategy (IPS) of the Ronald S. Lauder School of Government, Diplomacy and Strategy, named after the same Ronald S. Lauder who was Chairman of the New York State Research Council on Privatization, responsible for the July 24, 2001, World Trade Center Privatization Agreement.

Hint: FRONTLINE isn't going to tell you this!


After I saw that the post was blocked, I decided to post it without the links, but that post never appeared. There is clearly something in the content that the Common Dreams censors don't want on their site. As can be seen by following the links, all of the material is authoritatively sourced.

Tuesday, March 18, 2008

Was Mossad Behind Spitzer's Downfall?

We are not apologizing for Spitzer's criminal and immoral conduct of soliciting a prostitute. On the other hand, we have to point out the blatant disparity between the degree of Spitzer's acknowledged wrongdoing, and the abject criminality that permeates the United States government at the highest levels.


Here's a bit you might not be aware of regarding the Spitzer scandal. Spitzer has connections to Larry Silverstein, Jerome Hauer, Michael Cherkasky, and Kroll. If you know anything about the WTC Privatization Agreement of July 24, 2001, and the death of John O'Neill, you will understand why this is significant. In our assessment, all evidence points strongly to the probability that Spitzer was taken down by Mossad. Best we can gather, Spitzer holds a mono-citizenship.


It is inconceivable that planes carrying tons of cocaine can be flying into the US of A without anybody noticing unusual banking transaction, while the detection of Spitzer's hooker tab causes his downfall.

Monday, February 25, 2008

Molten Metal from WTC2

There is clear videographic evidence of brightly glowing molten metal flowing from the north face near the northeast corner of WTC 2 just prior to the onset of collapse.(NIST NCSTAR 1-5A, pp 375-376, and Figure 9-75 from 9:53:51 a.m.) The authors of the NIST report offer an indisputably flawed explanation for the observed material, speculating that it was molten aluminum, at or near melting temperature. This is physically impossible. The intensity and spectral distribution of the emitted light provide a reliable indication of the temperature range of the emitter. The fact that the material was glowing sufficiently to be detected by video cameras - to the point of saturating pixels - conclusively demonstrates that the material was not at or near the melting temperature of aluminum.




NIST NCSTAR 1-5A, Figure 9-75 Image of the northeast corner showing a bright stream of molten material flowing from above window 256 on the 80th floor.

This video shows the brightly glowing molten metal under discussion, and gives a good indication of the time of its appearance relative to the time of the collapse of WTC2.

By comparing pixel samples from images of flames with those from images of the molten metal within the same photograph it is possible to determine that the metal was actually hotter than the visible flames escaping from the building. This reasoning follows if both light sources are ideal black body radiators. As it happens, diffuse hydrocarbon flames such as occur in office fires generate their light through thermal radiation of soot which has very high emissivity, closely approximating a black body.[2] Metals, on the other hand, tend to have low emissivity, with the emissivity of aluminum significantly lower than that of iron. The result is that a diffuse hydrocarbon flame will glow more brightly than either iron or aluminum at the same temperature. Iron, in turn, will glow significantly more intensely than will aluminum at the same temperature.(See Jones 2007? for experiments with aluminum)

This single frame was extracted from the video linked above. Notice that the flames appear red-orange, whereas the molten metal is bright yellow-white. A pixel sample from a flame reveals an #RRGGBB (red, blue, green) color of #FFA181, whereas a sample from the molten metal gives #FFFFC5.

Since heat always flows from hot to cold, it is impossible for the visible flames to have produced the temperature indicated by the appearance of the metal. Because there was almost certainly a better supply of oxygen outside of the building than within the fire effected areas, it follows that these were likely the hottest hydrocarbon flames in the fire. Furthermore, it takes time to transfer heat. Any material hotter than the objects with which it is in contact will transfer its heat to the cooler objects. Thus, while heat is imparted to the metal by a flame, it will simultaneously be conducted away. Thus preventing the metal from reaching the temperature of the flame.

In addition, there is no explanation provided for how this significant quantity of metal was melted in such a way as to pool on the floor and retained this extraordinary heat, before spilling out of the window frame. There was no crucible to confine it while being heated.

Aluminothermic reactions, on the other hand, produce molten iron with exactly the appearance preserved in the video record. Aluminothermic reactions also produce a fine white aluminum oxide power identical to that which was observed wafting away from the northeast corner of WTC 2 at about the same time that the molten metal appeared, as can be seen in the photograph taken at 9:52:51 a.m.(NIST NCSTAR 1-5A, Figure 9-71)

NIST NCSTAR 1-5A, Figure 9-71 Image of the northeast corner showing brightly glowing molten material flowing from above window 256 of floor 80. A large plume of white ash is also visible issuing from northeast corner of the 81st floor.

Such aluminothermic reactions tend to be extremely bright, and even hard to look at with the naked eye. If such a reaction did take place in WTC 2 near the location from which the molten metal poured, we might expect to see such a light source, and indeed, we find evidence for this in a photograph of the northeast corner taken at 9:37:24 a.m. which shows a bright white light shining from the opening produced when part of the airplane exited the building through that corner.(NIST NCSTAR 1-5A, Figure 9-45)

NIST NCSTAR 1-5A, Figure 9-45 Image of the northeast corner showing a brilliant white light shining from within intense flames.

Another indicator of extreme temperatures inconsistent with diffuse hydrocarbon flames is found in other photographs of the flames from this same corner. For example the image recorded at 9:42:31 shows not only a conspicuous stream of white ash wafting away from the area, but also what appear to be "unnaturally" intense flames protruding from the corner of the building at the same location as the bright white light appeared 5 minutes earlier.(NIST NCSTAR 1-5A, Figure 9-51)


NIST NCSTAR 1-5A, Figure 9-51 Image of the north face showing conspicuously intense flames issuing from the northeast corner.

The location of all of these indications of a massive aluminothermic reaction is conspicuous because, as can be seen from the extracted video frames found here :Captured Stills from WTC 2 North East Corner Collapse, this is the location where the global collapse initiated. These images also reveal that as the building collapsed, an unmistakable stream of glowing material issued from the location where the molten metal had previously been observed. This material falls faster than the other emerging debris which indicates that it is heavier. The additional weight is probably due to the fact that much of it is molten iron.




Two videos and extracted stills depicting the onset of the collapse of WTC 2, showing a heavy glowing cloud which appears to be an amalgam of molten iron and dust.

The FAQ available on the NIST website attempts to explain the brightly glowing appearance of the molten metal by arguing that it was mixed with organic materials from the office contents of the building. They do not offer any citation to scientific literature in support their assertion, nor do they provide any experimental evidence to support it. Physicist Steven E. Jones conducted experiments attempting to reproduce such a phenomena, and was unsuccessful.

Additionally, there are numerous other phenomena which support this
conclusion such as:

  • eutectically eroded structural steel components[3],
  • accounts of molten metal in the pile[4],
  • photos of brightly glowing steel pulled from the pile weeks later[5],
  • cars set on fire by pyroclastic flows issuing from the collapses[6],
  • persistent heat on the pile melting worker's boots[7],
  • NASA/USGS thermal imaging evincing otherwise inexplicably high temperature[8] and
  • Micro-fine airborne metalic particles in the vicinity of the WTC rubble[9].

In summary, the evidence provided by the video record of brightly glowing molten metal flowing from WTC 2 just prior to its collapse argues very strongly for the presence of some type of aluminothermic reaction taking place at this time, and near this location. It is evident that the intense heat thus generated compromised the structure at this location resulting in the structural failure of the effected corner initiating the global collapse sequence.


[1]http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/videos/molten-stream/images.html These are the images used to provide the pixel samples.

[2]http://www.tempe.mi.cnr.it/zizak/tutorial/cairol06-flame-emission.pdf "Continuous spectra, such as the ones radiated by the sun, in which the emitted energy is distributed in a continuous manner between all wavelengths within a certain domain, and which usually exhibits a maximum. This is the general case of radiation emitted by heated bodies in solid or liquid phase. Continuous spectra in combustion systems are generally observed in the sooty region of rich hydrocarbon flames."

[1] http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/videos/molten-stream/images.html
These are the images used to provide the pixel samples.



[2] http://www.tempe.mi.cnr.it/zizak/tutorial/cairol06-flame-emission.pdf
"Continuous spectra, such as the ones radiated by the sun, in
which the emitted energy is distributed in a continuous manner
between all wavelengths within a certain domain, and which usually
exhibits a maximum. This is the general case of radiation emitted
by heated bodies in solid or liquid phase. Continuous spectra in
combustion systems are generally observed in the sooty region of
rich hydrocarbon flames."



[3] http://wtc.nist.gov/media/AppendixC-fema403_apc.pdf



[4] http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/moltensteel.html



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[8]
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/thermal.r09.html



[9]http://www.bollyn.com/index/?id=10607Why Did Iron Boil in the Rubble of the World Trade Center?





Experiments to test NIST "orange glow" hypothesis...


by Steven E. Jones, August 31, 2006


What I did is an experiment today, with two colleagues here, to test the NIST proclamation:



"NIST concluded that the source of the molten material [observed flowing out of WTC2 before its collapse] was aluminum alloys from the aircraft, since these are known to melt between 475 degrees Celsius and 640 degrees Celsius (depending on the particular alloy), well below the expected temperatures (about 1,000 degrees Celsius) in the vicinity of the fires. Aluminum is not expected to ignite at normal fire temperatures and there is no visual indication that the material flowing from the tower was burning.


"Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface."



NIST says that flowing aluminum with partially burned organic materials mixed in, "can display an orange glow." But will it really do this? I decided to do an experiment to find out.


We melted aluminum in a steel pan using an oxy-acetylene torch.


Then we added plastic shavings -- which immediately burned with a dark smoke, as the plastic floated on top of the hot molten aluminum. Next, we added wood chips (pine, oak and compressed fiber board chips) to the liquid aluminum. Again, we had fire and smoke, and again, the hydrocarbons floated on top as they burned. We poured out the aluminum and all three of us observed that it appeared silvery, not orange! We took photos and videos, so we will have the recorded evidence as these are processed. (I have now attached two videos showing clearly the silvery appearance of the flowing aluminum.) Of course, we saw a few burning embers, but this did not alter the silvery appearance of the flowing, falling aluminum.


We decided to repeat the experiment, with the same aluminum re-melted. This time when we added fresh wood chips to the hot molten aluminum, we poured the aluminum-wood concoction out while the fire was still burning. And as before, the wood floated on top of the liquid aluminum. While we could see embers of burning wood, we observed the bulk of the flowing aluminum to be silvery as always, as it falls through the air.


This is a key to understanding why the aluminum does not "glow orange" due to partially-burned organics "mixed" in (per NIST theory) - because they do NOT mix in! My colleague noted that it is like oil and water - organics and molten aluminum do not mix. The hydrocarbons float to the top, and there burn - and embers glow, yes, but just in spots. The organics clearly do NOT impart to the hot liquid aluminum an "orange glow" when it falls, when you actually do the experiment! (Refer to attached videos of our experiments.)


In the videos of the molten metal falling from WTC2 just prior to its collapse, it appears consistently orange, not just orange in spots and certainly not silvery. We conclude that the falling metal which poured out of WTC2 is NOT aluminum. Not even aluminum "mixed" with organics as NIST theorizes.


What is it? I have a bold hypothesis which still stands all our experimental tests to date, as described in my paper Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?.


NIST should do experiments to test their "wild" theories about what happened on 9/11/2001, if they want to learn the truth about it.














Videos
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Sincerely,


Steven E. Jones

3 Witnesses to Explosions in WTC2 Basements

Tuesday, December 25, 2007

Zionism is a Grave Threat to US National Security

The following is a response to a post on 911Blogger called Growing Discussion Among 9/11 Truthers of Israeli Involvement in 9/11

Zionism is a subject people are afraid to talk about. Indeed, we are often accused of "antisemitism" for merely speaking the word. At the same time we are frequently accused of being prejudiced against Zionism out of ignorance and a lack of understanding. That's a rather difficult position to be in. No matter what we do, we will be disparaged if we do not silently accept everything done in the name of Zionism without question or objection. It is certainly not the American way. We will therefore defy this injunction and speak our mind freely and frankly.

Judaism is an ethnic religion. Political Zionism is Jewish Nationalism. It is not a religious movement. It is a political movement. Take for example

Understanding Jewish Nationalism


What is Jewish nationalism and it's relationship to Judaism? How can an understanding of Jewish nationalism help us understand the meaning of being a Jew in today's world?

There is a lack of understanding in the world today of the concept of Jewish nationalism. Both in ancient times and in the Middle Ages the Jewish people was unique in its culture, its' religion and its fates and puzzled detached observers. But in modern times Jewish nationalism has become enigmatic to Jew themselves, while for the non-Jewish observers it is no longer a mystery to be probed but a blunder odd, ridiculous or abhorrent best ignored and silently distained. There's the rub. Though it be an enigma to its own people, Jewish Nationalism refuses to disappear from the worlds and in its fight for survival it compels the surrounding nations to pay it a high degree of troublesome attention, far in excess of' what "should" be paid to this nation, considering its small size and strength. Apparently, the hostility demonstrated against Zionism even in the thinking of loyal Jews stems largely from the incomprehensibility of Jewish nationalism judged within the context of historical experiences or philosophies that bear no relevance to it.
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Quite frankly we don't accept their premise of hereditary origin in the land now called Israel. We therefore have no reason to even entertain the legitimacy of their claim to it by hereditary right. But pressing that issue is not our goal. There is a more important issue which has long been neglected. That is the relevance of Zionism to US national security.

Zionism is, by definition, Jewish Nationalism. It is the profession of the belief that the land now called Israel is the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people of today whose ancestors allegedly originated there centuries ago. It further asserts that the Jewish people are a nation whose rightful geographic domain is in the Levant. A Jewish Zionist therefore holds that he or she is a member of that nation. Logic dictates that a Zionist Jew considers himself or herself to be an Israeli national, and places his or her first loyalties with Israel.

Another facet of Zionist ideology is found in the seminal document of modern Political Zionism. This document The Jewish State written by Theodore Herzl states the following:
However much I may worship personality-powerful individual personality in statesmen, inventors, artists, philosophers, or leaders, as well as the collective personality of a historic group of human beings, which we call a nation--however much I may worship personality, I do not regret its disappearance. Whoever can, will, and must perish, let him perish. But the distinctive nationality of Jews neither can, will, nor must be destroyed. It cannot be destroyed, because external enemies consolidate it. It will not be destroyed; this is shown during two thousand years of appalling suffering. It must not be destroyed, and that, as a descendant of numberless Jews who refused to despair, I am trying once more to prove in this pamphlet. Whole branches of Judaism may wither and fall, but the trunk will remain.


That unambiguously declares that the destruction of another nation for the sake of advancing the interest of the Jewish nation should not be regretted or avoided.

Israel is a foreign country, with interests and objectives different from those of the United States. Nonetheless, even a cursory examination of the role, in the US, of Zionists who are immediately and intimately connected to the national security apparatus of Israel will show that such people are frequently also high-level participants in US national security institutions such as the Department of State, the Department of Defense and throughout the private sector defense industry. When legitimate news reports describing issues of Israeli spying on the US are published or broadcast, they are met with a cacophony of condemnation by the Israel Lobby. Common knowledge within the US national security community is that it is hazardous to one's career to voice criticism of US policy toward Israel or even to suggest that Israeli operatives within the US pose a national security threat. In terms of national security that de facto policy can best be characterized as insane.

Now we're not saying that the 9/11/01 terrorist attacks were committed as part of the official policy of the State of Israel. We are also not saying that it was solely the work of people within the Zionist Movement, or that it was in any way the formal policy of the WZO. We are saying that if a faction within the Israeli intelligence apparatus wanted to commit an act of terrorism against the US, they would have little problem carrying out such an attack. If that faction had allies within the US national security apparatus who were willing to cooperate in a sophisticated terrorist attack, we could certainly expect to see a 9/11 carried out as it was.

But there has to be another area of control in order that the perpetrators can commit mass murder with impunity. Whoever perpetrated the 9/11/01 terrorist attacks has allies with incredible control over the content of mainstream media within the United States. It has long been argued that Zionists have exactly that power. Unfortunately, the sector of the American system which is least investigated and exposed by mainstream or even alternative media is the mainstream media itself. This is an area in need of serious investigation.

Sunday, December 23, 2007

Zelikow's Terrorist Credentials


Philip Zelikow, 9/11 insider, is scheduled to speak at Chautauqua Institution on August 9, 2007 (western New York, near Jamestown).
As Webster Tarpley notes, Zelikow is very important in the 9/11 cover-up.
In 1998, Philip Zelikow published an article in Foreign Affairs, the journal of the Council on Foreign Relations, entitled CATASTROPHIC TERRORISM: Imagining the Transformative Event. Nearly two years later, PNAC picked up the CFR-Zelikow language, saying that the desired transformation "is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor..."

In part one of this series, we hear from author Webster Tarpley, Professor Graeme MacQueen (religious studies, McMaster University, ret.), Ken Jenkins (filmmaker), and Peter Dale Scott, author.

Zelikow, hired as a Bush II transition team member for his expertise on al-Qaeda (according to Karen Hughes), didn't want to hear anything about al-Qaeda from Richard Clarke, chief counter-terrorism expert on George W. Bush's national security council. Similarly, John Ashcroft at the Dept. of Justice didn't want to hear anything about al-Qaeda before 9/11 from Thomas Picard, acting director of the FBI. In these and other instances, Zelikow as executive director of the 9/11 Commission, suborned perjury, Webster Tarpley charges.

Tarpley reveals Zelikow's cover-up role in the Able Danger FBI effort to expose "al-Qaeda" cells. Prof. Graeme MacQueen calls attention to Zelikow's unique role in predicting then explicating the consequences of "the transformative event" as head of the commission charged with investigating the catastrophic terrorism of 9/11. Ken Jenkins and Peter Dale Scott note that Zelikow's expertise is in creating and exploiting public myths, and that Zelikow's links to the neo-cons date to the early 1980s. The 9/11 investigation was itself an inside job.


This is the second part of a two part series profiling Philip Zelikow who is the guy who orchestrated and controlled the 911 Commission's cover up of the attacks on September 11th.

Friday, December 14, 2007

Spetember 10, 2001 Harman & Bremer III Had Lunch

This is just a little factoid which seems worth noting.
Code red: Christopher Cox '76 ('77) and Jane Harman '69 sit on different sides of the aisle, but the urgent threat of terrorism unites them, by Seth Stern '01
The experience of serving on the terror commission, chaired by a then little-known ambassador, L. Paul Bremer III, she says, was an eye-opener. "It was absolutely clear to us that the terrorists don't want a seat at the table, they want to blow up the table, and that a major attack on U.S. soil was coming," she told an audience at Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government earlier this year.

Harman's knowledge of foreign policy, her bipartisan outlook and her toughness impressed fellow commission members. "She doesn't back down," said Juliette Kayyem '95, a Kennedy School lecturer and fellow commission member.

The commission's 44-page report released in June 2000 warned that terrorists would "seek to inflict mass casualties" on American soil and called on government to prepare for catastrophic attacks that might kill tens of thousands.

Harman says their findings, like many such reports before and after, did little more than gather dust. In fact, on Sept. 10, 2001, Harman, who had won re-election to her old House seat a year earlier, had lunch with Bremer, lamenting the fact that no one heeded their warnings.

One day later, she was in her Capitol Hill office watching the second airliner hit the World Trade Center on television before Capitol police ordered the building evacuated. In the ensuing chaotic hours, Harman took refuge along with other members of the intelligence committee in Congressman Saxby Chambliss' basement apartment.

Monday, December 10, 2007

RE:911blogger|Cui Bono? The 9/11 Promotions

The comments below were censored on 911blogger, and were posted in response to this blog post: Cui Bono? The 9/11 Promotions


You certainly examined a relevant question. Of course, your focus was on the federal government, which neglects the insider trading issues and Lucky Larry, etc. Not to fault you for that. I'm just suggesting that the same approach could be taken there.

One thing worth observing is that some people may simply be rewarded by "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil, get promoted". Bear in mind that these organizations are compartmentalized and the security sensitive positions are informed on a classified, need-to-know basis. So a lot of players might realize something is wrong with what they saw, but are encouraged not to push the issue, so they don't. If they saw the bigger picture they might not be so complacent.

Speaking from my own experience, I noticed something very clearly in my transition from casual observer of 9/11 truth to active seeker. When I had seen traffic on the internet about 9/11 truth, I glanced at it, but didn't pay a lot of attention. I've seen a lot of claims over the years which seemed outlandish. Some of them have turned out to be true, and others false, or unverifiable. Until I realize there is some truth to such allegations, they don't seem important. IOW, if someone had ask me before I woke up, how important it would be if 9/11 turned out to be an inside job, I would probably have said 'pretty damn important'. Nonetheless, determining if it was an inside job didn't seem important. Once I realize that it was an inside job, then it became vitally important to me.

Am I making sense here?

That might apply to some of the people you described in your article. That is, it's easy for them to put blinders on, because they don't appreciate the importance of what they are neglecting to examine.

Another important point is that, left to our own, people will get together and exchange recollections and observations about a significant event. In the modern world, the communications industry (MSM) plays a significant role in that process (or the appearance of it). MSM has utterly failed to honor its social contract. It would be mild to accuse the print and broadcast journalism industry of abject betrayal.

In addition to that failure, however, top government officials placed considerable interference in the way of collective analysis of the events. I am referring to gag orders, and suppression of evidence. All of this facilitates the effectiveness of the ignorance is bliss career enhancement strategy.



Unlike his documentary on the assassination of JFK Sr., I don't believe Hankey's final conclusions in the following video are sustained by his evidence. I have to grant, however, that many of his intermediate conclusions seem compelling. This video provides possible insight into how these systemic crimes are perpetrated. IMO, it serves as a relevant case study.



Before someone accuses me of trying to sow disinfo by promoting far-fetched mind control theories, please be aware that Hankey's mind control argument is the part that I find weakest. Also be aware that there really were programs such as MK-Ultra, Monarch, Artichoke, etc. How effective they were is not clear.


Ideas and opinions expressed herein do not necessarily represent those of the author. They represent what remains after censorship.

RE: 911blogger|Guilt by Association is the road to tyranny.

The comment following the quoted comment was posted to 911blogger in reply to what is quoted.


Guilt by Association is the Road to Tyranny!!

Posting a fact someone writes, is not an endorsement of everything they've done from cradle to present. If a fact is correct, its correct.

For example, I have always been a supporter of the Simon Weisenthal Center and their tolerance work. Does that mean I agree with every political position that everyone associated or quoted or referred to by the Center has ever made? . . . of course not. I doubt anyone agrees with everything anyone has said or written.

911Truth.org has NOTHING on its site that is racist or anti-semetic!! NOTHING!! When I was on 911Truth and since then the board has been meticulous in being certain that none of the . . . in my opinion cointel pro government anti-semetic information meant to discredit good people and organizations questioning 9/11 . . . ever touches the pages of their wonderful website.

This is a slippery road, that smacks of Macarthyism, the Cultural Revolution, and all the tyrannical attempts to destroy people's characters by smearing them in any way they could, with any obscure thing they could dig up.

911Truth's house is clean. They are not an investigative agency. Their job is editor of their site. I defy ANYONE to find ANYTHING on 911Truth.org or ae911Truth.org that could be in any rational person's mind . . . racist or anti-semetic.

You won't find it. Both of these fine organizations deserve a VERY public apology from Simon Weisenthal Centers worldwide, and from the person above that tried to smear them in a guilt by association.

What is happening begins to emerge as a pattern of smear attacks and clever propaganda attacks. I saw a documentary "The Protocals of Zion" which was a good documentary about racism . . . UNTIL it began to merge people carrying "Stop the 9/11 Cover Up" signs with an ominous voice over about hate and neo nazi movements. This is preposterous and dangerous, and must stop.

Legal actions should be taken for defemantion of character. Enough is enough. I believe that when 9/11 was perpetrated, cointel pro was set up to have lunatic fringe anti-semetic posting, etc. to get Americans to turn away from ANYONE questioning 9/11.

This was a way to get tolerant New Yorkers, and New York Media, to turn off their logical thought regarding 9/11. This isn't new. The FBI did it to the peace movement in the 1960s. The CIA pulls stuff like this all over the world. The attack dogs have come home to roost.

MANY OF THE FOUNDERS OF THE 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT WERE/ARE JEWISH. One leader of 911truth's grandmother died in the death camps in Germany. Stop this nonsense.

Argue the facts of 9/11. It is the only honorable thing to do.



If you are talking about Marc Levin's video:

I found it fairly balanced, and informative. You can find lots of clips of the Urban Moving Systems dancers on the net, but very few of them give credit to Levin for making it available. I find all the reactionary behavior exhibited by both SWC, etc., and the extreme right to contribute to the inability to rationally assess these issues. I strongly suspect such polarization is the objective. When people talk about Zionism, it usually gets the connotation of "paranoid Zionist conspiracy theory" tacked on to it. Nonetheless, there really is a Zionist Movement. It is very well organized and far from being a secret to those who put aside the hysteria long enough to engage their brains. As far as I can tell, all the information found here about it is very well sourced: Political Friendster, Zionist Movement

I even found a document called:

WORLD JEWISH CONGRESS PROCEDURAL PROTOCOL
EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE & GOVERNING BOARD MEETINGS
JUNE 10, 2007
NEW YORK, NY

It's nowhere near as colorful as the infamous "Protocols".


Ideas and opinions expressed herein do not necessarily represent those of the author. They represent what remains after censorship.

McKinney Confronts Rumsfeld


Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney grills Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on the Pentagon's missing trillions, DynCorp's slave trade, and the 9/11 wargames.
House Hearing on FY06 Dept. of Defense Budget, March 11, 2005.

Sunday, December 09, 2007

9/11 Planes were Electronically Commandeered

Yet another post rejected by 911blogger


This post is mostly a consolidation of other posts. The first video, however is an extra from Loose Change the Final Cut. It discusses the time-line of the hijackings and the conspicuous failure to intercept the aircraft.





I've given this issue considerable thought, and I am convinced that the planes were not under the control of pilots in the cockpits when they hit. Here's some of my reasoning.

First of all, there are several pilots who claim the maneuvers were almost impossible even for an excellent pilots with experience flying that type of plane. This guy, Russ Wittenberg, seems among the most credible:

Pilot who flew UAL 93 & UAL 175 is "absolutely positive they couldn't do it."



Former Air Force fighter pilot Russ Wittenberg, who flew over 100 combat missions in Vietnam, sat in the cockpit for Pan Am and United for over 30 years, and previously flew two of the actual airplanes that were allegedly hijacked on 9/11 (United Airlines Flight 175 & 93), does not believe the government's official 9/11 conspiracy theory...

I flew the two actual aircraft which were involved in 9/11... Fight number 175 and Flight 93, the 757 that allegedly went down in Shanksville and Flight 175 is the aircraft that's alleged to have hit the South Tower. I don't believe it's possible for... a so-called terrorist to train on a 172, then jump in a cockpit of a 757-767 class cockpit, and vertical navigate the aircraft, lateral navigate the aircraft, and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding it's design limit speed by well over 100 knots, make high-speed high-banked turns,.. pulling probably 5, 6, 7 G's... I couldn't do it and I'm absolutely positive they couldn't do it. ~ Russ Wittenberg


Here's an interview with a professional airline pilot instructor who talks about how he and several other flight instructors tried to reproduce the maneuver in a simulator, and failed to hit the building unless they slowed down to almost landing speed.





The following two videos show the complexity of the final approach of UAL 175. All of the planes descended very rapidly. I'd have to fish the FDR values to give exact figures, but the planes did not line up on their targets from several miles out. They "barnstormed" their targets.

UAL 175 Leveling-out of a Steep Dive




Another Video of UAL 175 Leveling-out of a Steep Dive




Air Traffic Controller Describes UAL 175 "Power-Dive"





I believe Mike Walter is credible




No box-cutters needed to fly "like a cruise missile with wings"




This is the other half of the equation.





Computer simulation of AA77 strike based on physical evidence.


Some people have expressed skepticism as to whether a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. The evidence, however, indicates that this part of the OTC (Official Conspiracy Theory) is probably true. It is not clear what the fate of the wreckage from the pane was. Some critics have asserted that no serial number identification was carried out on parts from the aircraft. Be that as it may, the following video reaffirms my conclusion that the projectile that hit the Pentagon was a Boeing 757. The idea that it was piloted by Hani Hanjour, who two weeks earlier failed a flight test in a Cessna 172, is absurd. The exactness of the final maneuver of the plane suggests, if not proves, that the plane was under automated guidance.



The LC guys are correct, it is not the important question. The important question is why was it hit in the first place? Informed, rational and civil discussion is, of course, welcome.



Notice that the F4 in the video was traveling approximately 40 mph slower than AA77 is believed to have been moving.

Time for a new test using an F-4 Phantom Jet.

The US Government wanted to test what would happen if a plane crashed into the concrete walls of a nuclear power station.

The jet sets off, bolted to a track to prevent takeoff. It's doing 500 miles per hour. The plane atomized with the impact. It just disappeared into dust. Only the tips of the wings [which exceeded the width of the wall] escaped total destruction.

WordNet (r) 2.0

atomize
v 1: spray very finely; "atomize perfume" [syn: atomise]
2: strike at with firepower or bombs; "zap the enemy" [syn: nuke,
atomise, zap]
3: break up into small particles; "the fine powder had been
atomized by air" [syn: atomise]

Friday, December 07, 2007

The 9/11 Truth(sic) Police vs. 9/11 Truth

The following is from a 9/11 mailing list.


ATTN: Dr. Legge, Dr. Jones and Kevin Ryan, I apologize for the distraction. I believe this is something worthy of your valuable time.

... Jews ... Jews ... Protocols of Zion .... Jews did 9/11 ... - Col. Jenny Sparks

Jews control the media. - Victoria Ashley

On Thursday 06 December 2007 17:42, [ID omitted] wrote:
In a message dated 12/5/2007 10:26:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, [STH] writes:
After having spent considerable time collecting my resources and formatting a somewhat complex layout, I attempted to preview it, only to learn that my access had been denied to the parent resource. That caused me to loose all of my work.

Their high-handed behavior is outrageous. And they do this anonymously?

I'll give Victoria Ashely credit for identifying herself with her treachery. She has, however, said much behind my back. One truly outlandish and mind-bending example is on this page which was linked in my previous message.

Reply to Libel Posted on 911blogger

What ever happened with the right to face one's accusers ??? This is just hateful.

Being hateful to me is something I can live with. I'm accustomed to it. But you have identified much of what I find offensive about their behavior. Indeed, they conduct themselves in a way which is contrary to the principles and values which I am defending through my 9/11 Truth efforts. Dr. Jones encourages us to "rally around the Constitution", to which I will add: it is not the letter of the law, but rather the Spirit of the Law that matters.

Why would anyone want to be part of such a group ??


For me, it is because there are people who participate in these forums whom I respect, and with whom I wish to carry on a public dialog. Indeed, I have the sense that it may well be the objective of people such as Mr. Jenny Sparks to isolate the leaders from those who are capable of providing valuable input. IOW, it may be artful subterfuge.

It is mind-boggling that "Col. Jenny Sparks" is accorded anything but contempt. I smelled a rat the first time I saw his nym and googled for it. I've been online in unmoderated newsgroups going on two decades. I know a potty-mouthed troll when I see one.

I recall many years ago, before the WWW explosion, someone posted information challenging the orthodox interpretation of "The Holocaust". At the time I had no doubts about the accepted history. I was fully indoctrinated. I was offended by what he was saying, as were others in the forum.

One day someone posted the man's home address and directions to his house, starting from the USHMM, and encouraged all Jews to get a baseball bat and pay him a visit. I am sorry to say that my immediate reaction was not utter indignation at and condemnation of the threat. I did, however, condemn the threat when asked directly if I though it was right.

(The art of gentle persuasion used to to sustain the historical orthodoxy: Revisionist Historian Suffers Savage Beating )

Before I was banned from the STJ911 forum for my honesty, I suggested that participants not be overly enthusiastic in condemning "Holocaust Deniers" for our unorthodox views of history, since 9/11 researchers might find themselves in the same boat. I believe that was the first of my three transgressions which resulted in my banishment. Be that as it may, I was accused of threatening people with violence by issuing that warning (or some similar nonsense). As absurd as this may seem, it should be verifiable by anyone who has access to the STJ forum.

So here is the situation from my perspective. I am an American[*], and therefore believe that a person should seek the truth and speak the truth as he or she knows it. A person should not be ostracized for the honest expression of his or her opinions or beliefs.

Before I realized 9/11 was an inside job, I had been reassessing my understanding of "The Holocaust". It was a similar experience to that of realizing 9/11 was an inside job - though far more emotionally and intellectually difficult.

I am now in a situation in which I have proclaimed my "Holocaust" heresy and am therefore attacked and ostracized by the self-appointed guardians of the 9/11 Truth movement. The libelous claim from the likes of Jenny Sparks and Victoria Ashley is that I am intentionally trying to discredit or disrupt the 9/11 truth movement by mixing it with "Holocaust Denial". This accusation is typically included in a list with UFO researchers, no-planers, Apollo Moon-landing skeptics, DEW promoters, etc. Indeed this intellectual bigotry was explicitly codified in the Victronix Liar's Paradox:Reject efforts to mix holocaust discussions with 9/11/01. But let's look at her own web site:
http://www.911review.com/denial/holocaust.html [**]

That, however, is not enough for them. Even if I avoid the topic, the very fact that I am a "Holocaust" Heretic is used to exclude me from 9/11 forums. "Haeresis est maxima, holocaustum non credere". (My response: Dark Ages)

In conclusion, here's what we have: Anybody who has honestly examined "The Holocaust" will conclude that what is alleged to have happened did not happen. So a rational, intelligent person who has investigated this extremely important issue will conclude that "Holocaust Deniers" are correct. A person of good conscience will say as much, and will therefore become a "Holocaust Denier". It follows that any person conscientious enough to investigate the facts behind one of the most consequential claims in history, intelligent enough to evaluate the available evidence, and honest enough to speak the Truth about what he finds, is (according to the 9/11 Truth(sic) Police) disqualified from the 9/11 Truth movement.




[*] 1774:Susanna and Friend [Quaker] Elizabeth Robinson from Great Britain travel to New England to preach the Truth and seek new Friends. "At diverse meetings previous to the breaking forth of the American war, she had, in an aweful manner, to proclaim the approach of a stormy day, which would shake the sandy foundations of men, and many of the formal professors of our Society should be blown away."

Susanna was the wife of Joseph and the mother of Robert who was the father of George, the father of Robert, the father of Joseph, the father of Seth, the father of James Sr., the father of James Jr. who is my father. My grandma started the American Revolution!


[**]Hey Vic, Hetfield's from the Bay Area, isn't he? One can only imagine if he had someone specific in mind:



Holier than thou

No more!
The crap rolls out your mouth again
Haven't changed, your brain is still gelatin
Little whispers circle around your head
Why don't you worry about yourself instead?

Who are you? where ya been? where ya from?
Gossip burning on the tip of your tongue
You lie so much you believe yourself
Judge not lest ye be judged yourself

Holier than thou
You are
Holier than thou
You are

You know not

Before you judge me take a look at you
Can't you find something better to do
Point the finger, slow to understand
Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand

It's not who you are it's who you know
Others lives are the basis of your own
Burn your bridges build them back with wealth
Judge not lest ye be judged yourself

Holier than thou
You are
Holier than thou
You are

You know not

Yeah who the hell are you?
Hey you!

Holier than thou
You are
Holier than thou
You are

You know not

Not!